: pushl %ebp
0x80484c9 : movl %esp,%ebp
0x80484cb : call 0x80484a0
0x80484d0 : leave
0x80484d1 : ret
sonicscapes (9:16:45 PM): hm, great thsi si the most educational evenign for me in chat room since they invented it:)
white_hackers_never_die (9:17:25 PM): these are some original asm code!
white_hackers_never_die (9:17:43 PM): could executed on any 8086 OS
white_hackers_never_die (9:17:52 PM): could be ....
sonicscapes (9:17:58 PM): really, hm... i need to take some time to comprehend, i will save the message thanx
white_hackers_never_die (9:18:26 PM): lol!
white_hackers_never_die (9:18:31 PM): sure do that!
white_hackers_never_die (9:18:46 PM): (gdb) disas lame
Dump of assembler code for function lame:
/* saving the frame pointer onto the stack right before the ret address */
0x80484a0 : pushl %ebp
0x80484a1 : movl %esp,%ebp
/* enlarge the stack by 0x20 or 32. our buffer is 30 characters, but the
memory is allocated 4byte-wise (because the processor uses 32bit words)
this is the equivalent to: char small[30]; */
0x80484a3 : subl $0x20,%esp
/* load a pointer to small[30] (the space on the stack, which is located
at virtual address 0xffffffe0(%ebp)) on the stack, and call
the gets function: gets(small); */
sonicscapes (9:18:55 PM): yes, i think it is essential for me to know before getting into these projects..
sonicscapes (9:19:18 PM): g8
white_hackers_never_die (9:19:35 PM): sure
white_hackers_never_die (9:19:48 PM): 0x80484a6 : leal 0xffffffe0(%ebp),%eax
0x80484a9 : pushl %eax
0x80484aa : call 0x80483ec
0x80484af : addl $0x4,%esp
/* load the address of small and the address of "%s\n" string on stack
and call the print function: printf("%s\n", small); */
0x80484b2 : leal 0xffffffe0(%ebp),%eax
0x80484b5 : pushl %eax
0x80484b6 : pushl $0x804852c
0x80484bb : call 0x80483dc
0x80484c0 : addl $0x8,%esp
/* get the return address, 0x80484d0, from stack and return to that address.
you don't see that explicitly here because it is done by the CPU as 'ret' */
0x80484c3 : leave
0x80484c4 : ret End of assembler dump.
sonicscapes (9:19:50 PM): so you write both well actually many programs...
white_hackers_never_die (9:19:59 PM): ya see?!!
white_hackers_never_die (9:20:17 PM): to some extent !
sonicscapes (9:20:30 PM): yeah... can someone transfer a data from my comp after infecting it?
white_hackers_never_die (9:21:32 PM): just need a trojan backdoor!
white_hackers_never_die (9:21:38 PM): installed!
sonicscapes (9:21:50 PM): ah see...
white_hackers_never_die (9:22:14 PM): could pass any data easily!
white_hackers_never_die (9:22:20 PM): #include

char buffer[4028];

void main() {

int i;

for (i=0; i<=4028; i++)

buffer[i]='A';

syslog(LOG_ERR, buffer);

}
sonicscapes (9:22:26 PM): hm, than the info goes out thru my t1 line etc..
white_hackers_never_die (9:22:42 PM): with this little prog!
sonicscapes (9:22:52 PM): oh really, very nice
white_hackers_never_die (9:23:03 PM): lol! depends on ur pc ..
sonicscapes (9:23:24 PM): yep, and security
sonicscapes (9:23:28 PM): ive got it
white_hackers_never_die (9:23:59 PM): it adds these to ur registry!!

eax 0xefbfd641 -272640447

ecx 0x00000000 0

edx 0xefbfd67c -272640388

ebx 0xefbfe000 -272637952

esp 0xefbfd238 0xefbfd238

ebp 0xefbfde68 0xefbfde68

esi 0xefbfd684 -272640380

edi 0x0000cce8 52456

eip 0x00001273 0x1273

ps 0x00010212 66066

cs 0x0000001f 31

ss 0x00000027 39

ds 0x00000027 39

es 0x00000027 39

fs 0x00000027 39

gs 0x00000027 39
white_hackers_never_die (9:24:30 PM): a real hole!
sonicscapes (9:24:32 PM): oh gosh, you really thinking numbers, cool
sonicscapes (9:24:49 PM): i see, that;s the wormhole
white_hackers_never_die (9:25:04 PM): yeah!
white_hackers_never_die (9:25:11 PM): exactly!
sonicscapes (9:25:15 PM): ah see, very, very intriguing
sonicscapes (9:25:55 PM): wow, neat... i have to go home soon... im at my office now...
white_hackers_never_die (9:26:18 PM): Creative brains are a valuable, limited resource!
sonicscapes (9:26:21 PM): but we have a deal clyde...
white_hackers_never_die (9:26:30 PM): They shouldn't be wasted on re-inventing the wheel when there are so many fascinating new problems waiting out there. !!
sonicscapes (9:26:33 PM): yeah, that's true
sonicscapes (9:27:34 PM): so will you guide me a little bit regarding this Russia expo, also i would like to invite you anonym...
white_hackers_never_die (9:27:47 PM): To behave like a hacker, you have to believe that the thinking time of other hackers is precious
sonicscapes (9:28:23 PM): yes, the same like a pseudo art and some artist do not know that they aer once
white_hackers_never_die (9:28:34 PM): tanx!
sonicscapes (9:29:03 PM): yeah.. i always think that math and art is very close.. and even now science is closer than ever..
white_hackers_never_die (9:29:47 PM): i would be glad to hack some HTTP servers for ya!
sonicscapes (9:30:04 PM): oh, splendid, we have got a deal!
white_hackers_never_die (9:30:08 PM): art has become a part of science !
sonicscapes (9:30:15 PM): but for you they have to be a good once...
white_hackers_never_die (9:30:19 PM): these days!
sonicscapes (9:30:37 PM): i will contact a security software to set up their latest products for 2006 etc..
white_hackers_never_die (9:30:50 PM): lol!
sonicscapes (9:30:56 PM): yes, and vice verse
sonicscapes (9:31:04 PM): hm what do you think?
sonicscapes (9:31:17 PM): or shall we make it more for fun...
white_hackers_never_die (9:31:53 PM): waitin to see hardest firewalls and VPNs!
white_hackers_never_die (9:32:00 PM): sure!
sonicscapes (9:32:10 PM): ah see... who produce it?
white_hackers_never_die (9:32:23 PM): Hackers are naturally anti-authoritarian!!
sonicscapes (9:33:16 PM): yeap, an abstract class, a class as yet to hack itself into manifest existence as itself
white_hackers_never_die (9:33:44 PM): yep!
sonicscapes (9:33:55 PM): yeah
white_hackers_never_die (9:34:36 PM): The hacker attitude is vital, but skills are even more vital. ya know!
sonicscapes (9:34:51 PM): yeah exactly
sonicscapes (9:35:13 PM): so can i ask u abstract question on the side..
white_hackers_never_die (9:35:34 PM): Attitude is no substitute for competence, and there's a certain basic toolkit of skills which you have to have before any hacker will dream of calling you one. !!!!
white_hackers_never_die (9:35:40 PM): yeah!
sonicscapes (9:35:55 PM): exactimo
sonicscapes (9:36:04 PM): do you believe there is a life in universe...?
white_hackers_never_die (9:36:38 PM): wat kind of life?
white_hackers_never_die (9:36:48 PM): we have different kinds!
sonicscapes (9:36:56 PM): ah, that's another q
sonicscapes (9:37:07 PM): let's say intelligent..
white_hackers_never_die (9:37:25 PM): lol!
white_hackers_never_die (9:37:27 PM): right now!
sonicscapes (9:37:36 PM): yessss
sonicscapes (9:38:10 PM): i know they proved it mathematically, i wander about it
white_hackers_never_die (9:38:31 PM): An intelligent system
white_hackers_never_die (9:38:33 PM): is a particle system
sonicscapes (9:38:34 PM): yeap
white_hackers_never_die (9:38:40 PM): that obeys
sonicscapes (9:38:41 PM): yes...
white_hackers_never_die (9:38:48 PM): particular rules
white_hackers_never_die (9:38:56 PM): these r the rules
white_hackers_never_die (9:39:02 PM): that define
white_hackers_never_die (9:39:09 PM): how intelligent
white_hackers_never_die (9:39:24 PM): the particle system is!
white_hackers_never_die (9:39:49 PM): just like our nervous system!
sonicscapes (9:39:57 PM): hm aha... yes but this is ,,..
white_hackers_never_die (9:40:18 PM): a system made up many many little particles
white_hackers_never_die (9:40:26 PM): called nerve
sonicscapes (9:40:27 PM): yes..
white_hackers_never_die (9:40:48 PM): they interact with each other!
sonicscapes (9:40:56 PM): yes...
white_hackers_never_die (9:41:11 PM): while obeying some particular rules!
white_hackers_never_die (9:41:37 PM): that r defined by our DNA
sonicscapes (9:41:43 PM): yes...
white_hackers_never_die (9:42:10 PM): any particle with itself has no intelligence!
white_hackers_never_die (9:42:24 PM): but the whole system
sonicscapes (9:42:29 PM): hm, yes that's
white_hackers_never_die (9:42:30 PM): acts in a way
white_hackers_never_die (9:42:40 PM): that seems to be intelligent!
white_hackers_never_die (9:42:52 PM): this is just a matter of:
white_hackers_never_die (9:43:06 PM): 1)how many particles?
white_hackers_never_die (9:43:14 PM): 2)wat rules?
sonicscapes (9:43:24 PM): you know what i plan to do, print it out later and read it in pace, to understand more..
white_hackers_never_die (9:43:32 PM): and nothing more!
white_hackers_never_die (9:43:53 PM): our brain
white_hackers_never_die (9:44:06 PM): with its all complexities
white_hackers_never_die (9:44:17 PM): is very simple at some points!
white_hackers_never_die (9:45:12 PM): and never in your brain knows exactly wat to do!
white_hackers_never_die (9:45:26 PM): any nerve"
white_hackers_never_die (9:45:38 PM): how?
sonicscapes (9:45:43 PM): hm,,but this is still just theory
white_hackers_never_die (9:45:45 PM): why?
white_hackers_never_die (9:45:46 PM): it's simple
white_hackers_never_die (9:46:27 PM): relativity used to be a theory someday!
white_hackers_never_die (9:46:40 PM): relativity i mean
sonicscapes (9:46:41 PM): hm, just the pattern we use.. to understand it...
sonicscapes (9:46:46 PM): yeah, sure
white_hackers_never_die (9:47:19 PM): have heard about Cellular Automata?
sonicscapes (9:47:28 PM): i read about it...
white_hackers_never_die (9:47:46 PM): produced by Prof. Wolfram.
white_hackers_never_die (9:47:55 PM): yeah!
sonicscapes (9:47:55 PM): yes
white_hackers_never_die (9:48:08 PM): just see how does it work!
sonicscapes (9:48:16 PM): okay
white_hackers_never_die (9:48:18 PM): too many little things
white_hackers_never_die (9:48:31 PM): obey some rules!
sonicscapes (9:48:37 PM): yes.. and
white_hackers_never_die (9:48:46 PM): and produce very complex situations
white_hackers_never_die (9:49:16 PM): that ya could never predict!
sonicscapes (9:49:17 PM): yeah
sonicscapes (9:49:31 PM): so you can't predict what you produce
white_hackers_never_die (9:49:44 PM): this is exactly wat nature has done!
white_hackers_never_die (9:49:51 PM): nope!
white_hackers_never_die (9:50:03 PM): not exactly!
sonicscapes (9:50:04 PM): yeap, the sense of existence
white_hackers_never_die (9:50:17 PM): wat would be the meaning of a predictable life?
white_hackers_never_die (9:50:25 PM): nothing!
white_hackers_never_die (9:50:37 PM): life is a feeling ya have!
sonicscapes (9:50:38 PM): yes, that's nothing predetermined
white_hackers_never_die (9:51:07 PM): when ya think ya can decide!
white_hackers_never_die (9:51:20 PM): and that is true!
white_hackers_never_die (9:51:30 PM): life isn't really predictable!
white_hackers_never_die (9:51:52 PM): no matter how much do we know about it!
white_hackers_never_die (9:52:17 PM): it is the main rule of quantum physics!
white_hackers_never_die (9:52:24 PM): as ya know!
white_hackers_never_die (9:52:40 PM): probability!
white_hackers_never_die (9:53:13 PM): a quanta doesn't exist in any particular time or place!
sonicscapes (9:53:17 PM): yes, probability
sonicscapes (9:53:28 PM): *probability
white_hackers_never_die (9:53:42 PM): random art!
white_hackers_never_die (9:54:04 PM): combined with some determined rules!
white_hackers_never_die (9:54:28 PM): so it is unpredictable! at the same time as it is!
white_hackers_never_die (9:55:09 PM): the source of our greatest strength, and our greatest weekness!
sonicscapes (9:55:44 PM): yes, random happening...
white_hackers_never_die (9:56:06 PM): and so is art!
white_hackers_never_die (9:56:17 PM): there is no defined rule!
white_hackers_never_die (9:56:38 PM): for wat a beautiful painting or music is!
sonicscapes (9:56:44 PM): yes, that's pure creativity
sonicscapes (9:57:00 PM): now clyde, i have to go...
white_hackers_never_die (9:57:07 PM): lol!
white_hackers_never_die (9:57:16 PM): nice to meet ya !
sonicscapes (9:57:22 PM): it was, so so fantastic to run into you, i feel lucky today:)
white_hackers_never_die (9:57:26 PM): i have to wait for the result!
sonicscapes (9:57:39 PM): what result?
white_hackers_never_die (9:57:45 PM): of my crack !
white_hackers_never_die (9:58:03 PM): the result of my crack!
sonicscapes (9:58:03 PM): ah see, good, let me know how did it come out
sonicscapes (9:58:19 PM): u sent me something?
sonicscapes (9:58:28 PM): already?
sonicscapes (9:58:41 PM): again?
white_hackers_never_die (9:58:57 PM): wat?
sonicscapes (9:59:14 PM): ok, i have got it now...
white_hackers_never_die (9:59:18 PM): do ya guess?
sonicscapes (9:59:27 PM): i just was asking about the crack...
white_hackers_never_die (9:59:33 PM): wat do ya guess?
white_hackers_never_die (9:59:59 PM): i know!
sonicscapes (10:00:00 PM): i will guess, gimme some time?
white_hackers_never_die (10:00:20 PM): any way it was to my pleasure to see ya!
sonicscapes (10:00:55 PM): mee too, i will drop you note tomorrow, for inspiration, i will have to define to mueum the process of the servers and etc...
white_hackers_never_die (10:01:11 PM): ya seem to be clever at some points!
white_hackers_never_die (10:01:11 PM): lol!
sonicscapes (10:01:23 PM): good...
sonicscapes (10:01:53 PM): ys, im still working on it...my second project i work on now is about sound...
white_hackers_never_die (10:01:57 PM): Read science fiction. Go to science fiction conventions (a good way to meet hackers and proto-hackers).

sonicscapes (10:02:18 PM): i guess, so, that’s the best way.. eye to eye:))
sonicscapes (10:02:40 PM): i love stanislav lem, solaris my favorite
white_hackers_never_die (10:02:45 PM): Learn to write your native language well. (A surprising number of hackers, including all the best ones I know of, are able writers.) !!!

white_hackers_never_die (10:03:10 PM): lol! mine too!
sonicscapes (10:03:20 PM): you must be kidding!!!!!
white_hackers_never_die (10:03:57 PM): Study Zen, and/or take up martial arts. (The mental discipline seems similar in important ways.) !
white_hackers_never_die (10:04:27 PM): nope!
sonicscapes (10:05:32 PM): i always go away from city to clean up my vibeswhite_hackers_never_die (10:05:37 PM): The best way is to find a Unix or Linux user's group local to you and go to their meetings (there's a directory at the Linux Users' Group page on Sunsite).
sonicscapes (10:05:40 PM): city is 2 addictive
sonicscapes (10:06:01 PM): yeah, thanks great...
sonicscapes (10:06:50 PM): I will review all the content...
sonicscapes (10:06:59 PM): essential help, i truly appreciate it
white_hackers_never_die (10:07:15 PM): To be a hacker you need motivation and initiative and the ability to educate yourself. Start now...
sonicscapes (10:07:19 PM): okay, good night, bye
white_hackers_never_die (10:07:28 PM): bye
sonicscapes (10:07:43 PM): i do not wanna be hacker, i want to give hackers a place in the art field;)
sonicscapes (10:08:13 PM): they strongly deserve it in concept art I think
white_hackers_never_die (10:08:16 PM): ya have to know a little about it!
sonicscapes (10:08:32 PM): sure.. it's going on 2 good direction
sonicscapes (10:08:43 PM): okay, bye, thanks so much
white_hackers_never_die (10:08:55 PM): bye!
sonicscapes (10:08:58 PM): bye!
white_hackers_never_die (10:08:59 PM): tanx too!
sonicscapes (10:09:03 PM): for what?
sonicscapes (10:09:17 PM): cool, bye